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dragonash
07-13-2010, 10:12 AM
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/12/apple-deleting-mentions-of-consumer-reports-iphone-4-piece-on-f/


Really apple?

lilith
07-13-2010, 11:54 AM
Interesting that engadget invites ppl to comment on problems with apple products... but no one has done that yet!

dragonash
07-13-2010, 01:23 PM
well, since they saw apple deleting threads AND since they did test this defect out, they figured there needs to be a place that wont get censored in a biased way.
Mind you, engadget doesnt hate apple. They love the iphone4 sans the bad antenna

Dr. Death
07-15-2010, 05:56 AM
Apple deleting stuff off their own forums is equivalent to you snipping stuff you don't approve of out of YOUR copy of the NY Times.

Evil empire indeed! :D

Ninjahedge
07-15-2010, 09:26 AM
Not really.

The point is not that they were snipping things out that had no relevance, but that they were cutting out all things that could possibly give them bad press.

It would be like the NYT having an Editorial section where no admonishing editorials of the writers or any of their stories or positions were allowed. Only the "good" stuff.


Some of the comments were probably just bashing Apple (typical), but word is they deleted all comments.

I have seen several articles on PCworld about that, and they tend to be rather applehappy.....

dragonash
07-15-2010, 10:00 AM
apparently apple will have a news conference Friday about the iphone antenna.

i wonder what the spin will be.

Ninjahedge
07-15-2010, 11:50 AM
That they tried their best on what was a minor engineering problem and that the Apple User means more to them than XXX YYY.

They will probably drop the price/give a $30 rebate or something. The real money they make is though their cut of the service cost and the Apple Store anyway.

Ninjahedge
07-15-2010, 02:08 PM
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3821/iphone-4-redux-analyzing-apples-ios-41-signal-fix

More news. And testing!

Dr. Death
07-15-2010, 03:31 PM
MY point is that doing that in any form doesn't stop the bad press. The Internet is not like a newspaper at all, where typically a person chooses one and accepts that as their news source. If one site won't allow certain material, there are dozens or hundreds of others that will. The rest of the world is still getting the information, as it would if you censored your own copy of your newspaper. Then you are the only one in the dark.

Apple would be better served by allowing the commentary and responding to it, rather than trying to hush it up.

dragonash
07-16-2010, 09:57 AM
The reality is that Apple likely wants to deflect at least some of the initial backlash AT&T will face for reporting the signal bars without any concessions. Concessions that used to make coverage look better than it really is.

exactly what i have been saying in other forums. It's so obvious that apple purposely fudged the signal bars to make it show from the very first iphone that the reception rocked. Now that an even bigger and more obvious problem appeared, they "found" an issue and "fixed" it as to offset the dramatic effect of full bars to no bars when held wrong.

So now when you hold it "wrong" and you lose the signal, it's more like you lost 2 bars instead of the whole 5.

with the new update, I now have a solid 2 bars at home when it used to be 5. I still get the same amount of dropped calls...shocker.

dragonash
07-16-2010, 02:37 PM
engadget is doing a live blog of the apple conference now.

and wow, look at the BS fly!

double tap to dodge this one!!


10:37AM "So the heart of the problem is, smartphones have issues, and we made it easy to exploit the issue by showing people where to hold the phone to cover the antenna. But the data supports the fact that the iPhone 4 is the best smartphone in the world, and there is no Antennagate... there is a challenge for the entire smartphone industry to improve its antenna technology so there are no weak spots. So today we're going to try and take care of our customers."

I didnt know they showed that to us. I could have sworn multiple people discovered this, posted it online and then apple told us we were holding it the wrong way. What they showed us was the "correct" way to hold a phone.

I also believe he is confusing "best" with "popular". There is a huge difference.
Also, I am not able to make any bars go down on my friends droid or my BB storm. sooo.... yeah


10:56AM Q: Will the refund include third party cases?
A: There's a very small number of third party cases out there. So no.
Q: Well it's interesting, there aren't any cases out there, and it's hard to get cases now. If the third party case buyers can produce a receipt, why not give them one?
Steve: It's really simple, if we tell people what our next product is, they stop buying our current products. Sometimes websites buy stolen property and they get out there... and case makers have a history of showing off their new cases for our new products. The case vendors haven't had a history of helping to keep our work under wraps.

I'm laughing at my brother for that one lol
Let me fix Steve's sentence:
It's really simple, you didn't spend $30 on our case to fix a problem we caused, so F-you

Ninjahedge
07-16-2010, 03:34 PM
Actually, it is more like:

"We will not tell you if we are fixing anything because we still want you to buy the old broken one. If you have problems buying one of OUR covers because they are expensive or out of stock, you are NOT allowed to buy someone elses because they probably stole it from us and we made no money."


What he should have said is simple. "Although we sympathize with users that had a problem with the phone, we cannot offer a refund on something they did not buy from us. If they bought something from us to correct our problem, then we will give the money back, but we are not in the buisness of giving other companies money for our products and 'product solutions'".

Not as gracious (or fallacious) as his actual response, but much more strait forward.

He sounds more like a politician than a CEO/Innovator/"Leader".....

Dr. Death
07-18-2010, 09:14 PM
The solution:

Give your iPhone to your 5-year-old and buy an Android phone.

lilith
07-24-2010, 11:37 AM
I have one son with an iphone and one with a Droid.... Listening to them argue about who has the better phone is hilarious!!! I don't think either one of them has won yet. :rolleyes:

I'm due for a phone upgrade in August and am seriously confused about which phone to buy. :o Hopefully there will be some iphones in stock by then if that's the way I decide to go...

Dr. Death
07-24-2010, 07:09 PM
You have the best platform for decision-making. Play with both phones and decide for yourself which one:

1) is easier to learn and use
2) will let you do what you envision your uses for the phone will be

lilith
07-26-2010, 02:17 PM
You're assuming they'd actually let go of one of them long enough for me to play with it!!! :D:eek::D:eek::D

New rules are pretty cool though... Allows jailbreaking!!! :)

New gov't rules allow unapproved iPhone apps

By JOELLE TESSLER, AP
59 minutes ago

WASHINGTON — Owners of the iPhone will be able to legally break electronic locks on their devices in order to download software applications that haven't been approved by Apple Inc., according to new government rules announced Monday.
The decision to allow the practice commonly known as "jailbreaking" is one of a handful of new exemptions from a 1998 federal law that prohibits people from bypassing technical measures that companies put on their products to prevent unauthorized uses. The Library of Congress, which oversees the Copyright Office, reviews and authorizes exemptions every three years to ensure that the law does not prevent certain non-infringing use of copyright-protected material.
In addition to jailbreaking, other exemptions announced Monday would:
_ allow owners of used cell phones to break access controls on their phones in order to switch wireless carriers.
_ allow people to break technical protections on video games to investigate or correct security flaws.
_ allow college professors, film students and documentary filmmakers to break copy-protection measures on DVDs so they can embed clips for educational purposes, criticism, commentary and noncommercial videos.
_ allow computer owners to bypass the need for external security devices called dongles if the dongle no longer works and cannot be replaced.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20100726/US.TEC.Digital.Copyright/

Wes
07-26-2010, 06:32 PM
nice!

Dr. Death
07-27-2010, 06:01 AM
Yeah that's what I'm doing...looking for security holes...yeah...that's it.

Ninjahedge
07-27-2010, 09:50 AM
DD, I thought that one was a load of poop too.

lilith
07-27-2010, 04:25 PM
Yeah that's what I'm doing...looking for security holes...yeah...that's it.
For the better good of mankind... we know! :)

lilith
07-27-2010, 04:33 PM
Actually, I'm impressed with the U.S. Copyright's statement. It's so concise and easy to read/understand.
http://www.copyright.gov/1201/




The Recommendation of the Register of Copyrights: PDF (http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2010/initialed-registers-recommendation-june-11-2010.pdf)
The Librarian of Congress has announced the classes of works subject to the exemption from the prohibition against circumvention of technological measures that control access to copyrighted works. Persons making noninfringing uses of the following six classes of works will not be subject to the prohibition against circumventing access controls (17 U.S.C. § 1201(a)(1)) until the conclusion of the next rulemaking.
(1) Motion pictures on DVDs that are lawfully made and acquired and that are protected by the Content Scrambling System when circumvention is accomplished solely in order to accomplish the incorporation of short portions of motion pictures into new works for the purpose of criticism or comment, and where the person engaging in circumvention believes and has reasonable grounds for believing that circumvention is necessary to fulfill the purpose of the use in the following instances:

(i) Educational uses by college and university professors and by college and university film and media studies students;
(ii) Documentary filmmaking;
(iii) Noncommercial videos.
(2) Computer programs that enable wireless telephone handsets to execute software applications, where circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling interoperability of such applications, when they have been lawfully obtained, with computer programs on the telephone handset.
(3) Computer programs, in the form of firmware or software, that enable used wireless telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telecommunications network, when circumvention is initiated by the owner of the copy of the computer program solely in order to connect to a wireless telecommunications network and access to the network is authorized by the operator of the network.
(4) Video games accessible on personal computers and protected by technological protection measures that control access to lawfully obtained works, when circumvention is accomplished solely for the purpose of good faith testing for, investigating, or correcting security flaws or vulnerabilities, if:

(i) The information derived from the security testing is used primarily to promote the security of the owner or operator of a computer, computer system, or computer network; and
(ii) The information derived from the security testing is used or maintained in a manner that does not facilitate copyright infringement or a violation of applicable law.
(5) Computer programs protected by dongles that prevent access due to malfunction or damage and which are obsolete. A dongle shall be considered obsolete if it is no longer manufactured or if a replacement or repair is no longer reasonably available in the commercial marketplace; and
(6) Literary works distributed in ebook format when all existing ebook editions of the work (including digital text editions made available by authorized entities) contain access controls that prevent the enabling either of the book’s read-aloud function or of screen readers that render the text into a specialized format.

lilith
08-06-2010, 01:15 PM
You have the best platform for decision-making. Play with both phones and decide for yourself which one:

1) is easier to learn and use
2) will let you do what you envision your uses for the phone will be

Ended up making the decision on a purely economic level... Motorola Droids are free at BJ's! I had two phones that could be upgraded. The Motorola Droids were buy one - get one free. The price for the two of them with 2 year contracts was $149. Minus the $50 discount on my phone. Balance = $100. BJ's gives you a $50 gift card for each phone purchased... after I fill out all of the forms and get the rebates and gift cards I got two motorola droids for $0. I know they are not the latest/greatest and that the X is the best one made, but right now with 3 of us in college - $400 for two phones just isn't in the budget. I'll enjoy my free droid for 2 years, then look for the best phone available!!! :) By then I suspect the new phones will allow video calls and predict who you want to talk to and just call them for you. :D

dragonash
08-06-2010, 02:08 PM
actually, the new droids do allow video calls ^_^

lilith
08-06-2010, 02:14 PM
actually, the new droids do allow video calls ^_^
Shut up! I don't want to hear it!!! :p
Are you talking the X, the incredible or the 2 that isn't out yet?

Ninjahedge
08-06-2010, 03:02 PM
But if you get an iPhone you will be able to video chat, at high res, with no stutter or lag, while talking about things as warm and personal as telling your hubby you are pregg-o!!!!!!




Um....yeah.

lilith
08-06-2010, 03:33 PM
But if you get an iPhone you will be able to video chat, at high res, with no stutter or lag, while talking about things as warm and personal as telling your hubby you are pregg-o!!!!!!




Um....yeah.
Good thing neither one of those things is going to happen to me!!! :eek:(hubby or pregg-o's)

Hey, did that happen to you lately?!?! NH and wifey expecting again?!? :)

Dr. Death
08-06-2010, 04:28 PM
The only reason you can't video chat on your droid is that there is no front-facing camera.

And video chat doesn't work well over 3G networks, no matter what Apple leads you to think (I can guarantee that those commercials were shot using wi-fi.)

dragonash
08-09-2010, 01:46 PM
But if you get an iPhone you will be able to video chat, at high res, with no stutter or lag, while talking about things as warm and personal as telling your hubby you are pregg-o!!!!!!




Um....yeah.

on wifi only

droid does it all on it all!

Imma shoot some porn on 3G!! lol

Wes
08-09-2010, 01:49 PM
wifi only? you can make it works on 3G network by "lying" about it. There is an app for that. :D

dragonash
08-09-2010, 02:54 PM
yeah, you need to download an app (only after jailbreaking the iphone) that will trick your iphone into thinking its on wifi.

however, facetime is not optimized to work with lower bandwidth

Dr. Death
08-09-2010, 08:10 PM
Imma shoot some porn on 3G!! lol

If you do, please use only the rear facing camera :p

Ninjahedge
08-10-2010, 09:48 AM
So what you are saying is that those ads are really people talking to each other in different rooms?

I sense a parody coming up!!! ;)

dragonash
08-10-2010, 05:31 PM
If you do, please use only the rear facing camera :p

wait...they have a camera that faces your ass?

Wes
08-11-2010, 01:01 PM
So what you are saying is that those ads are really people talking to each other in different rooms?

I sense a parody coming up!!! ;)

hehe. actually, i could see that happens with both sides on wifi. Say, one side is on Hotel's wifi and the other side at Home's wifi.

Ninjahedge
08-11-2010, 03:08 PM
Really?

I have seen problems with streaming off of a direct connection sometimes....... sometimes! ;)

Wes
08-12-2010, 03:06 AM
Before this facetime thingy, i was using Slingplayer to watch TV. It works ok on 3G network, but it works fantastic when I'm on Hotel's WiFi. I suppose the facetime thing would have similar performance.

lilith
08-15-2010, 11:07 PM
By then I suspect the new phones will allow video calls and predict who you want to talk to and just call them for you. :D
My new droid is possessed! I charged it all night but it still had low battery power the next morning. It would start up, open a random feature then shut down. Brought it back to the verizon store. The girl asked me to unlock it so she could look at it. I started pointing towards the right side-top of the screen but before I even touch it, the bottom left button "activated". After a few tries it asked me to log into my g-mail account to cancel the lock feature. Now, I hand my unlocked phone to her and it starts opening random features, changes itself to Spanish and starts randomly calling people from my contacts and hanging up on them! I figure it's my fault it's doing this because of my prediction quoted above. :o She decides she needs back up, so she calls her verizon help line. They're telling her what to do, but everthing on my phone is still in Spanish, so she doesn't know how to follow their instructions! They finally reset it remotely somehow. But geez, what a nightmare!!:eek:

Wes
08-15-2010, 11:31 PM
lol. sounds funny.

Ninjahedge
08-16-2010, 08:41 AM
SOunds like someone's phone may have been on someone elses plan?

(That almost sounds viral, or that your phone was stuck on some sort of "demo" mode).