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Ninjahedge
03-12-2009, 10:05 AM
Hey.

After trying the basic learners book, I would like to intersperse chord and basic rif training with some actual tunes.

I don't know what would be best to experiment on:

Beatles
Zep
Floyd
Green Day
Clash
Creedence?
Morrisen? (Just not B.E.G. I have heard enough of THAT on Light FM!!!!!)

Any suggestions would be welcomed. I really need a few songs to practice chord progression on......

5150
03-12-2009, 04:27 PM
Go to youtube and type in a band or a song and add "lesson" at the end.
Also, just search a song and scroll down through and look for such things as "how to play", "opening riff", etc..
It is up to you to find what you are able to (comfortable) learn(ing).

Ninjahedge
03-12-2009, 04:30 PM
Hi 5150!

Yeah, Well, I lost that Green Day tune you posted on here, and the Floyd one as well (I thought it would be safe here... :( ).

Any suggestions on some simple popular strummers? I always try to remember them when I am listening on the way to and from work, but by the time I get home I almost always forget what I was listening to (specifically).

5150
03-12-2009, 04:45 PM
Green Day-time of your life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbvUx5fH9As
TAB
http://www.mxtabs.net/view/tab/240428/green_day/good_riddance_time_of_your_life/
TAB is very easy to find-google a song and add "tab" to the end.
Just remember most tabs are not accurate but will get you started.

Saboteur
03-12-2009, 04:56 PM
Don't forget http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/. Like 5150 said, accuracy can vary wildly, but it is nice to have a bunch of them all on one site for easier searching.

lilith
03-12-2009, 05:12 PM
I hate that green day song... once I think about it, I can't get it out of my head for days!!!! :p

Muscat
03-12-2009, 05:22 PM
Get Guitar pro and search gtp files. Guitar pro play the partition for you and shows you exactly how to play the tune on your guitar and how your guitar need to be tuned. Nothing can be easier.

Green day play open string so it is very very easy.
Clash is easy too.

Beatle, Led zep, Floyd that depend the the song. Led zep solo can be hard but not the main rill. Beatles can be very hard in some songs if you try to play the song exactly like Harisson. Floyd can be hard sometimes too but they play very slow so everyone can play those songs at home but on the stage that can be tricky.

Ninjahedge
03-12-2009, 05:43 PM
Thanks peeps.

The key here is that I would like to find a few things to tool around with....

Are there any particular chords I should look for? The ones in the book so far, if I can remember them, are:

D
D7
Dm
A
A7
Am
G
C
B7
E
E7
Em
F-Bar
I think I am missing one, but that is what I have been practicing so far.....

Oh, "When I Come Around" acoustic just came on the shuffle..... ;)

And Live's "The Beauty of Grey" was on earlier....


No time to search the world around
Because you'll know where I'll be found......

Ninjahedge
03-12-2009, 05:45 PM
I just thought of something....

It would be useful to have a Tabs D-base where you could put the chords you know into it and it would filter the list accordingly (all inclusive, all within selected, whatever).

It would be really handy to put in 4 or 5 chords you are comfortable with and can switch easily through and see what songs are around that would be able to be played using them! ;)

5150
03-12-2009, 06:29 PM
When I Come Around--can't get any easier than this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIwj_twx5cI

5150
03-13-2009, 12:51 AM
I think I am missing one, ....


Wait till you find the rest-;)
Practice, practice-etc.--D7 to D and follow the recommended finger pattern.
Now D7 to whatever sounds good (or maybe it doesn't)-kinda like training your fingers to respond to your inner ear and regconizing note (ascending, desending) patterns.

I do NOT recommend patterns when first learning lead type playing.
I do recommend patterns for learning chords.
Like anyone will listen.;)

Ninjahedge
03-13-2009, 09:54 AM
What?

Kidding.....

As for recommended fingering, I can see it for some, but D to D7 dingering seems werid in that I fine doing (from high to low) 1-2-3 easier for D rather than 2-3-1 (you can slide the index finger down for Dm I think, and I do not know what the chord is for just the two fingers (without index), is that called something like "free 2", I just saw it last night...)

As for "forgetting one" I know that these are not ALL the chords! I was just saying that these were the chords in the book so far!

Bar-F was hard, but Bar B-flat was almost painful!!! I can't het my index finger to get the first and 5th strings down on the fret (1 usualy sounds muffled). Does this get easier with time or do you have to have monkey-fingers like the pictures of the guy on the instruction pics? ;)

Thanks for the help again guys!

Saboteur
03-13-2009, 11:28 AM
There's a "knack" to barre chords that time will help with, but for me so far, the variations on the A major chord are still the hardest to have sound consistently good. The first joint on my little finger is weak (probably not uncommon) so the string under that finger is often fuzzy or just wrong.

I guess I'd say trying barring a little more towards the side of your index finger, rather than on the pads. Over time you'll pick up the knack of getting the joints lined up so you get good sound on the strings that you need to.

One thing my teacher taught me was to let the weight of your hand/arm pull your fingers into the strings as much as you need, versus squeezing the strings between your thumb and fingers. Just let your hand feel "heavy" as you're grabbing a chord and have gravity do the work for ya. Barre chords still require some squeeze, but if you keep the "weight" thing in mind, it'll help you play more relaxed but effectively.

Ninjahedge
03-13-2009, 12:10 PM
Heh, I have also found out that getting the 2-3-4 fingers squished on a single fret is almost impossible with my wedding ring on!!! ;)

Tanx Sab!

5150
03-13-2009, 02:59 PM
I fine doing (from high to low) 1-2-3 easier for D rather than 2-3-1
I'd love to see a picture if that.;)


One thing my teacher taught me was to let the weight of your hand/arm pull your fingers into the strings as much as you need, versus squeezing the strings between your thumb and fingers. Just let your hand feel "heavy" as you're grabbing a chord and have gravity do the work for ya. Barre chords still require some squeeze, but if you keep the "weight" thing in mind, it'll help you play more relaxed but effectively.
Remember it's the weight of your hand pulling into the strings not pulling on the neck.
If you pull the neck you will pull that chord out of tune-not so noticable on an acoustic but try it on an electric.
The squeeze will come in time (second nature,learned habit) as your hand gets stronger.

Ninjahedge
03-13-2009, 03:51 PM
Shoot, hit backspace... :P


Any excercises for that? Any way to keep/develop the calouses? I have been fingering a pair of scissors (dull end, but still definite on those new shears!). I don't want to lose what little I have developed after a week of not playing......

5150
03-13-2009, 04:01 PM
Any excercises for that?
A squishy ball may help, other than that practice.


Any way to keep/develop the calouses?
Yes, practice.

Ninjahedge
03-13-2009, 05:29 PM
No sandpaper?

Nothing I can grip on the bus or at work?

Yes, I know, practice, but there are more things you can do to make you run faster than just running (and no, I do not mean 'roids). Anything I can do to help accelerate some of these things the better....

=A!M=OakWind
03-13-2009, 05:55 PM
Yari bako

I kid :P

5150
03-13-2009, 06:16 PM
You need to learn how to walk first never mind running.
You should be practicing and/or playing every day even if it is only for 5-10 minutes.

Mostly practicing, as in practice a song (or what you know of it), practice a chord or a chord change, practice your strumming or your picking, practice your timing, practice a scale or a riff--you getting the picture?

You want something to do on the bus or at work-buy a good music/guitar theory book-you can't go wrong.

Go into your favorites and create a new folder called Guitar-in that folder create these sub-folders.
Chords
Scales
TAB
Theory
Metronomes
Youtube
I'll post some links shortly to help you populate them.

5150
03-13-2009, 08:04 PM
In Guitar folder tuners
http://www.gieson.com/Library/projects/utilities/tuner/
http://www.chordbook.com/guitartuner.php
Chords
http://www.chordguide.com/guitar/chords.asp?note=c
http://www.chordie.com/chords.php
http://www.8notes.com/guitar_chord_chart/
http://www.chordbook.com/guitarchords.php
http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/index.php

Scales
http://www.jazzguitar.be/guitar_chord_finder.html
http://www.chordbook.com/guitarscales.php
http://www.jamcenter.com/guitarscales.html
http://www.freakguitar.com/scales.html
http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/guitar_scales.php

TAB-I usually google tabs as it is quicker when looking for a particular song
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/
http://www.911tabs.com/
http://www.guitaretab.com/
http://www.mxtabs.net/guitar_tabs/
http://www.tabcrawler.com/

Theory (+lessons)
http://www.zentao.com/guitar/
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/
http://www.guitarchordsmagic.com/guitar-music-theory/guitar-music-theory.html
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/chord-and-theory-chart.txt
http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/1582022/Theory_Thread_with_free_Jam_Tr#Post1582022
http://s87874414.onlinehome.us/Frazers.Scale.Mode.and.Arpeggio.Reference.pdf
--Frazer Box's--a little steep but worth printing out

Metronomes-why more than one? check them out
http://www.metronomeonline.com/
http://webmetronome.com/
http://www.all-guitar-chords.com/metronome.php
http://www.seventhstring.com/metronome/metronome.html <has foot help;)
http://www.8notes.com/metronome/ <has drums

Youtube-I use this folder for quick links to lessons and songs that I may be working on.

Ninjahedge
03-16-2009, 10:59 AM
Kool, I will when I get home!

Thanks!

(BTW, it is strange, listening to music I can't hear what chords they are playing but I am starting to pick out the individual chords and changes. I hope to start being able to "see" the chords soon.....)

Also, lame as it is, I am trying to remember the chord tabs while walking back and forth to work. Picturing D, D7 Dmaj7, Dmin, etc etc....


It is just weird to me that somehow, I sit down after not playing for 2 or 3 days and I can finger the chords more easily than the last time. It makes no sense!


They I listen to Horton Heat and try to picture his fingers moving and I get depressed to hell! ;)

Ninjahedge
04-03-2009, 10:56 AM
Oh man....

I just tried going through and finding a couple of tunes that SOUNDED relatively simple, but man was I wrong!

First mistake? QotSA "No One Knows". The first chord has a relatively simple base, but you have to have a double jointed pinkie to get the 12th fret e when your other fingers are all on 7, 9 and 10!

So I tried looking for some Who, but unfortunately, some chords just did not sound right. The C/D in "SqueezeBox" did not fit, although "Imagine a man" sounded right, it was just hard to play.

I think I looked at However Much I Booze, but I am not sure on that one...

The key is, some of the tabs being called out just did not sound right. I know, it could have been me, but setting them up slowly as called out, they did not ring true to the same sound that I was hearing on the studio recording (even though they were rated well on 911...).

Ah well, I guess the question is simple, are there any easy songs to get used to? Any bands I should be looking at? Early Beatles? Simon and Garfunkel even? Should I focus on the power chords while learning acoustic or are they primarily for Electric?

Learning chords is nice and all, but it is like learning your ABC's without even touching Dog or Cat yet. They have no context and it does not help the hardest part which is trying to go from one chord or another. Progression, movement and feel of that are more important than knowing Dmaj7 (although Dmaj7 might be useful to know for other reasons, but anyway).

So if anyone knows a few simpler acoustics I could practice to get my fingers more used to placement, I would appreciate it. I tried myself and I kept getting "Archipelago" instead of "cow".

Hell, I needed spellcheck to get Archipelago right! ;)

Saboteur
04-03-2009, 12:25 PM
"Arpeggio"?

Anyway, I've picked up the last couple of issues of Acoustic Guitar magazine (think I'm gonna subscribe) and it has had some pretty easy but good-sounding songs. I'll try to get "Come Monday" by Jimmy Buffet in here:


Verse:
G C D G Headin' up to San Francisco for the Labor Day weekend show
G C D G I got my Hush Puppies on, I guess I never was meant for glitter rock and roll
Am C D And, honey, I didn't know that I'd be missing you so

Chorus:
C G Come Monday it'll be alright
C D Come Monday I'll be holding you tight
G Bm C D I spent four lonely days in a brown LA haze
C D G And I just want you back by my side

Bridge:
A D I can't help it, honey
A D You're that much a part of me now
A D Remember that night in Montana
C D When we said there'd be no room for doubt
F C G (instrumental)

Final Chorus:
G Bm C D I spent four lonely days in a brown LA haze
C D F C G And I just want you back by my siiiiide

And the song goes:
Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Bridge, Verse, Chrous, Final Chorus

The only really "tricky" part is the Bm barre chord. Enjoy :)

Ninjahedge
04-03-2009, 12:27 PM
Bm is kind a hard to get to from the others, but it looks fairly strait forward.

All I gotta do is find the tune so I can hear what it is supposed to sound like before I murder it! ;)

Ninjahedge
04-03-2009, 12:30 PM
Am to C looks like an easy transition, but I still have not been able to go back and forth between C and G easily yet.

Well, you know what they say, practice makes....well....practice!!!!! :D

DarkSideofOZ
04-03-2009, 01:33 PM
I have an 800 dollar Dinky 2 with Duncan Design pickups that I wish I had the patience to learn how to play. I DLed Guitar Pro and over 100,000 tabs to go with it, I just don't know where to start. What are some good songs to start with?

Saboteur
04-03-2009, 01:39 PM
Here's a youtube vid of Come Monday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0---Q97pG4

Can't play along with it without a capo though.

Am to C should be easy - you're just moving your third finger, keep the other 2 down.

C to G should be really easy as well with just a little practice. Keep your second and third fingers in the same shape and move them from the 4th/5th strings to the 5th/6th, then put your pinkie down on the 1st string.

G to Bm is harder. Perhaps try focusing on your 3rd finger, which is on the 6th string/3rd fret on the G chord. Concentrate on moving it to the 4th string/4th fret. Let that be your 'anchor' for the chord and let the other fingers fall into the shape.

Bm is Am but two frets down, but you have to use your first finger for the barre, so the other 3 fingers make the chord shape instead of your first 3 fingers.

5150
04-03-2009, 02:04 PM
Here's a few-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXzWaNZ7ygE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxU2PHBFkgQ <Learn the chords, ignore the capo unless you have one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm1CMTO1PAU
<Take the bad with the good.;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hriaoDxC0E0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwwOIFCfFM

:D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-95SO1TDwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlPp04KaWmg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrORN7sdsqY

Ninjahedge
04-03-2009, 02:55 PM
I will have to try to give it a go when I get home...

Thanks again guys!

Ninjahedge
04-03-2009, 07:53 PM
Wow, ST-501 is nice!

Very easy songs... I have to try!

5150
04-04-2009, 12:07 AM
Here is something very simple that some people don't understand -transposing.

Say a song goes GCD but your voice just can't sing to it (it's not in your vocal range).
Transpose it up to ADE or down to EAB-it's the same thing just in a different key.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7p3s-120G8

Ninjahedge
04-06-2009, 09:22 PM
Hmmmm, I like the chord progression on "Hey Joe"... It seems to help when you play a tune you ae familiar with AND it sounds right when you are doing it!!

I will have to check the other ones out later.

Thanks guys!

Ninjahedge
05-20-2009, 08:46 PM
I really like the progression on that green day tune on "easy Songs 2", and that Christine Agulerra tune is fun to play.

The Neil Young tune is a little weird, but fun.

Thanks SO MUCH for the links guys. I still suck, but I am having fun being lousy (for now)!!! ;)

Ninjahedge
02-13-2010, 11:26 PM
OK, I have loaded a few more, but sometimes the tabs do not seem to make much sense....

One example is "Tell her This" that shows a 6 . chord progression in the intro, when I have only heard 3 (to my ear). Also, unusual chords like "E/G#"? (4-2-2-1-0-0) are difficult to stretch to get....

Some others I have been trying (some from the "Easy" vids)

Green Day - Time of Your Life
U2 - One
Christine Agulerra - Hit me baby
Neil Young - Heart of Gold
Eagles - Hotel Cali
Kings of Leon - Sex on Fire (I can't seem to get it sounding right after the simple intro)
Gomez - Rhythm and Blues Alibi
- Get Myself Arrested
Del Amitri - Driving with the Brakes On (pretty simple).
- Roll to Me.

I am looking for a few others if anyone can suggest/provide a good tab sheet (I tried the links, some are better than others, if someone has a better set, please let me know).

John Mayer seems to have a few catchy tunes for acoustic, and I love the acoustic Incubus tunes.

Any others that I could print out to practice chord progression (I have got the basics, and am trying to get from things like G to F, etc...).

Again, THANKS GUYS!!!!

Saboteur
02-14-2010, 11:04 PM
Sometimes the combo chords ("E/G#") use the thumb to finger the sixth string note.

FWIW, I am taking a break from guitar. My motivation was flagging so I'm setting it aside for awhile.

Ash
02-15-2010, 07:42 PM
Here is something very simple that some people don't understand -transposing.

Say a song goes GCD but your voice just can't sing to it (it's not in your vocal range).
Transpose it up to ADE or down to EAB-it's the same thing just in a different key.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7p3s-120G8



http://www.ronimusic.com/amsldowin.htm


Change the pitch, slow it down so you can hear, also save the mp3 with the pitch change.

Ash
02-15-2010, 07:45 PM
OK, I have loaded a few more, but sometimes the tabs do not seem to make much sense....

One example is "Tell her This" that shows a 6 . chord progression in the intro, when I have only heard 3 (to my ear). Also, unusual chords like "E/G#"? (4-2-2-1-0-0) are difficult to stretch to get....


Again, THANKS GUYS!!!!


This is why you need to take lessons.
Find someone who will do a lesson plan then do a Q/A with the time left. If they dont do a Q/A they are not worth the money.

Ninjahedge
02-16-2010, 10:34 AM
Ash man, I did take lessons, when they were half price and I had a job!!! ;)

Now that I have one again, I may do one or two more....but, my wife just got laid off. Hows that for timing, eh? At least I found something before she got the word and we had to move in with parents and eat boiled leather boots or something... ;)

Ash
02-17-2010, 12:14 AM
Ash man, I did take lessons, when they were half price and I had a job!!! ;)

Now that I have one again, I may do one or two more....but, my wife just got laid off. Hows that for timing, eh? At least I found something before she got the word and we had to move in with parents and eat boiled leather boots or something... ;)

damn!!!
maybe she can play L4D2 in the afternoons while your at work. ;-) jk

Ninjahedge
02-17-2010, 08:46 AM
You so funny!!!!! ;)

I tried to get her on the FPS kick a while back, but she says she gets motion sick while playing (Gears of War split screen I believe...).

Weird thing is, it seems like all the top-down hack-and-slash games are coming out for the PC or for the Networked Console nowadays... Nothing "Gauntlet Style" for us to play and enjoy anymore....


(BTW, She DID like and play Dynasty Warriors, I can't figure out how she did not get sick playing that, but did with the others....)

Ash
02-18-2010, 01:53 PM
Sometimes the combo chords ("E/G#") use the thumb to finger the sixth string note.

FWIW, I am taking a break from guitar. My motivation was flagging so I'm setting it aside for awhile.

So the answer I got for the E/G#,
its an E chord with the low string(E) changed to G#. He used his pinky on the G#.

Ninjahedge
02-18-2010, 04:21 PM
Ash, I tried that, it ain't easy w/o "special" braces/help. Try bending your ring and pinky fingers. Now see how far you can split them to get the right frets all the way up the neck like that!

I think trying the Thumb might be the only way I will get this chord w/o substantial breaking of my hand.......

Saboteur
02-18-2010, 06:16 PM
I honestly didn't even try it out.

ChordFind (http://www.chordfind.com) also suggests this variation:



1 2 3 4 5 6 7
1 --------------B-------------
2---------------B---X---------
3---------------B-------------
4---------------B-------X-----
5---------------B-----------X-
6---------------B-------------

I can't say that looks any easier...

Ash
02-18-2010, 06:44 PM
(4-2-2-1-0-0) I saw him play this.........cant help it he makes it look so easy.

BTW for extra income he proof reads music books for publishers.

=A!M=OakWind
02-18-2010, 10:30 PM
Who are we talking about?

Ninjahedge
02-19-2010, 08:36 AM
Just trying to keep, pardun the pun, tabs.

Breaking the Cycle from Staind sounds like a good/easy one to try as well.

I just have to write these down before I forget them (had it on an MP3 mix on my car... the disk has to be (sadly) 5-8 years old now...... Man I feel old!)

5150
03-06-2010, 03:11 AM
You need to practice- the 422100 is a pinky stretcher and the BAR at the 4th fret is common.
Seems like you are trying to play something more complicated than your hands can handle---not a bad thing, just don't expect majic.

Ninjahedge
03-06-2010, 07:44 PM
Me hand just ain't made liek that (yet) 5150....

I am still trying. And that Supergrass tune (Caught by the Fuzz) is a good one, but all the tabs I looked up for it did not sound right when I strummed them along with the acoustic version of the tune. They were close, but the closest I found was an AD on YouTube that showed some of it (like the 3 finger A7 chord) that only teased and asked you to buy....

Ninjahedge
04-20-2010, 10:13 AM
Anyone still there?

A few Gomez tunes sound fun when I am strumming (Get myself arrested is pretty easy). Any other suggestions/sources/blogs? (most of the user tabs seem scattered in quality when I search....)

Also, any recommendations on a good Capo? I have NO clue, and teh music sites seem to be a bit less structured than others when looking for advice....


TIA!

=A!M=OakWind
04-20-2010, 06:39 PM
Play some Slayer, it's good for ya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haHOEM-xGG4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4geyLvI7Io&feature=related

Muscat
04-21-2010, 01:23 AM
Guys you need to get the Guitar pro app.
http://www.guitar-pro.com/en/
You have all the tools to learn anything in that great app. and compose too.

hendo
03-05-2015, 01:17 AM
Guitar Pro is the best App, I love it

Ninjahedge
03-14-2015, 02:15 AM
Thank you all....


I have to keep with the advice you gave to see what I wanted to achieve....


Seriously.... I mean it. :)

SmegInThePants
03-14-2016, 01:00 AM
a free alternative to guitar pro i use:

https://musescore.org/en

guitar pro files work in it too.

If you just do guitar, guitar pro is probably the way to go from what i hear (i haven't tried it myself). But if you also do things w/other instruments (like piano), then musescore is great because it also does regular sheet music (though it also does tabs).

Also, you can drop midi files in to musescore and bam, have the sheet music for it. Find a midi file you like and now you know how to play it. http://midiworld.com/ - for midi files. And musescore is free, so no reason to not use it *and* guitarpro if you already have guitar pro.

and for structured lessons - https://www.guitartricks.com/home.php - ain't bad, not free though. Organized sequential vids, w/jam tracks and notation included (notation made for guitar pro, also works in musescore). But if you wait to sign up, once a year they give a free guitar as a bonus for signing up, or at least they have done so once a year until now.