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Saboteur
02-09-2014, 11:40 PM
So I was gaming tonight after getting my router replaced. I was just getting started when the screen froze and I got a very odd pattern on the screen, and the colors started shifting.

A couple of reboots seemed to clear things up but I got back in-game and it happened again.

After that time, then I started seeing distorted images on the boot and Windows login screen (see attached).

I haven't done any troubleshooting yet like re-seating boards and memory chips, but based on the attached images, what do you guys think may have happened here? I'm guessing the video card fried but before I go ordering new stuff I thought I'd ask the group.

The mobo and video card are both coming up on 6 years old, but I'd rather not shell out for a new rig at this time if I can avoid it, so if I can replace what's broken that would be a big plus.

Here is the motherboard:
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX All Solid Capacitor Intel Motherboard (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059)

Here is the video card:
EVGA 512-P3-N841-A3 GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-Bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130312)

If the consensus is that it is the video card, I'd sure appreciate any suggestions on replacements too.

Wes
02-10-2014, 04:26 AM
I had one just like that. Looks like time to get a new video card.

=A!M=OakWind
02-10-2014, 06:35 PM
Hook your monitor directly to your mobo, that should tell you everything.

Bald_Yew
02-10-2014, 08:21 PM
I can give suggestions on a best bang/buck for a new one. What is your budget? What power supply do you have?

Saboteur
02-10-2014, 09:22 PM
Here's the power supply:
PC Power and Cooling S61EPS 610W Continuous @ 40C EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005)

I'll try hooking the monitor straight up to the mobo in a bit.

Originally the card was $260 - I would be comfortable with something in the $150 range but wouldn't squawk too much if it was $200-ish.

Many thanks for the help.

Saboteur
02-11-2014, 12:31 AM
OK... so...

Booted the system up tonight. When it got to the logon screen, it was showing similar distortion to the image above.

I shut the system down and cracked open the case. The insides were *not* significantly dusty (cleaned it out maybe 4 months ago), but I took a can of air and blew out the CPU fan and the fan/interior of the video card. Nothing much came out of the CPU but there was a noticeable *puff* of dust from the video card. Not a *lot*, but noticeable.

Just for the heck of it, I booted up at that point. The system booted normally and I was able to log in, start up Steam and played L4D2 (what else? :D) for about 45 minutes - no problems.

I shut the system down again, took out the video card and cleaned the contacts with some alcohol, reinstalled it and booted.

I'm typing this 3 minutes after that boot and no issues so far!

Weird...

Muscat
02-11-2014, 11:14 AM
Looks like just a bad contact when the card was in the slot.

shifty
02-11-2014, 08:49 PM
I've had this happen with half a dozen EVGA cards. If you have proof of receipt (email from retailer is good enough) and register at their website, a lot of times they'll replace, often with newer.

Saboteur
02-12-2014, 08:46 PM
I suppose when I pulled the case out from the desk and put its on its side, it could have jostled the card just enough to clean up some schmutz on a contact.

Do you think EVGA would replace a 6 year-old video card, Shifty?

Anyway - its still working as good as ever. Thanks for stepping up, guys.

=A!M=OakWind
02-15-2014, 07:57 PM
It's hidden in your model number:

http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/

I had to RMA a motherboard 3 times before I decided to talk them into sending me another model that I had to buy a new cpu and memory for. Now I have to unplug the hard drives on it every now and again to get it to communicate.

If you think you've solved the problem I wouldn't recommend it.

Saboteur
02-16-2014, 02:09 AM
Still running OK so ... finger's crossed!

Saboteur
02-18-2014, 11:48 PM
No changes so that's good.

Bald_Yew - I would be curious to see what card(s) you would recommend to replace this one. Maybe I can do a stealth upgrade over 6 months or so... :D

I suppose I'd have to start with the motherboard, though, if I wanted a near-current generation video card.

Bald_Yew
02-19-2014, 03:31 PM
I have an EVGA mobo with the AR suffix, limited lifetime. While cleaning it last year I noticed a cap had leaked a little. I contacted them and they said since I didn't register the board within 30 days after purchaes(I think it was 6 weeks), the limited lifetime warranty was void. Of course I got my panties in a bunch about it and my last 2 vid cards have been XFX. Not sure if there are similar stipulations to their lifetime warranties - prolly are I guess.
Did you register the card shortly after your purchase?

Saboteur
03-27-2014, 11:45 PM
The card has evidently flaked out again.

Upon reviewing my e-mail history, I did register the card right away, and I also got it replaced via RMA back in 2010.

I guess I'll go that route again.

Saboteur
03-27-2014, 11:49 PM
Ugh - I was supposed to register the replacement though.

I don't think I did that.

Bald_Yew - can you recommend a good bang-for-the-buck replacement?

Saboteur
03-28-2014, 12:01 AM
How about this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130792

ZorakMantis::LOB::
03-28-2014, 12:34 AM
Tom's Hardware Best Graphics Cards for the Money March 2014: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html

(it has them grouped and compared by price range)

Bald_Yew
03-28-2014, 07:16 AM
A friend of mine is replacing his GT630 2GB card for something a little beefier(he found a 6850 cheap). I will say, I have seen that card run Skyrim at 1920x1080...it wasn't super fluid outside, but it wasn't bad. I was actually kind of impressed at the way the small card handled a few games. That being said, unless you are on a shoestring of a budget, NOOOO on the GT630.

Look at this side by side of the GT630 2 gig, a more peppy but still $100 R7770, the 6850 my friend is upping to, and the GTX770 I just got last week:D.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2013-vga-gpgpu/compare,2959.html?prod[6226]=on&prod[5704]=on&prod[5451]=on&prod[6395]=on

You may also want to play around with it and add a GTX660 at the $150 price point. The 2014 charts showed Bioshock Infinite which uses the Unreal engine, but unfortunately it didn't show performance for 630.

Saboteur
03-28-2014, 09:15 AM
Am I at a point where I should think about biting the bullet and going with a newer motherboard/CPU/RAM so I can get in on more current technology?

I picked out the card above because it was the best of what came up when I filtered on NewEgg for PCI Express 2.0 x16, which is what my old card is.

Money isn't a huge object... I could afford to drop $5-600 on some new equipment (our couch is pretty comfortable :) ) so feel free to edumacate me further!

ZorakMantis::LOB::
03-28-2014, 04:05 PM
I picked out the card above because it was the best of what came up when I filtered on NewEgg for PCI Express 2.0 x16, which is what my old card is.
Note that current PCI-Express 3.0 graphics cards can be put in PCI-E 2.0 slots with no loss of performance (when talking about single cards at least). Your power supply should also be good for running any current single card.



Am I at a point where I should think about biting the bullet and going with a newer motherboard/CPU/RAM so I can get in on more current technology?
It depends. If we are talking about gaming only, the question is whether a new PC within $x budget would beat your old PC with a new graphics card costing $y.

I cannot give any specifics without knowing how much you want to spend exactly and if you can reuse any parts, but most likely a new PC would win. Your motherboard is six years old and seems to have served you well, but it is several generations old now. (let's call it vintage!) :)

Bald_Yew
03-28-2014, 06:39 PM
Your motherboard is six years old and seems to have served you well, but it is several generations old now. (let's call it vintage!) :)
Amen to that! I admit, my secondary rig is still a socket 775 with an e6600. Damn that generation had some legs!

1. Is your PC primarily a gaming rig?
2. What games do you play, and are you looking forward to any specific titles?
3. What resolution is the monitor/TV you use?
3. What would you be comfortable spending?

Saboteur
03-28-2014, 09:46 PM
1. Yes, though I host my Plex server on it too. Its not serving up any media while I'm gaming though.
2. L4D2, L4D2, and then some L4D2. Not really looking forward to any new titles that I've seen. (Thought L4D3 is supposedly on the horizon? :D)
3. 1920x1280
3(?). Right now I wouldn't want to drop more than $5-600 because we're having some work done on the house that will tap our reserves a good bit. But I could see maybe 4-6 months down the road spending the rest of the cost of a new rig. If I can re-use the case, maybe the power supply, the DVD, etc. that'd be cool.

I also have a TV that I have hooked up as a second monitor that I use occasionally, but rarely.

Bald_Yew
03-28-2014, 11:18 PM
OK, you can do a new CPU, mobo, RAM, vid card, and OS for $600ish if you want.....BUT, you could also just get a nice $200 card, put it in your system and see how it goes. L4D and other Source games really aren't that demanding, so unless you are really ready to build new, I'd advise getting a R9 270x or a GTX660 for $200 and play on.

If you are ready to build, Anandtech forum midrange system builder is a good resource. They put this combo up recently:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1461045
$415.89

Just use your current case, hard drive, PSU, optical, etc.. Add a cards like this:

PNY VCGGTX660XPB GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133470)for $189.99

and you should be good for awhile. If you have to figure in Win7 though, that throws your cost to 705.87 - over budget. If you do have an OS though, the parts above are worth considering. If you don't have an OS, look below.

Intel Core i5-4430 Haswell 3.0GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116895) for $189
Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 Desktop Motherboard - Intel B85 Express Chipset - Socket H3 LGA-1150 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128629) for $86.99
HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104262) for $64.99
PNY VCGGTX660XPB GeForce GTX 660 2GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133470)for $189.99
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986) for 99.99

That puts you at 630.99. You could trim even further by going dual core Intel or going quad core AMD. I would also advise putting an SSD in the rig down the road when you get another $120 or so. Currently you can get a 240gig for $120, and SSD's are steadily dropping in price.

Saboteur
03-29-2014, 10:18 AM
OK - if I can use a newer generation card in my current rig, I'll go with that for now. Plus when I do upgrade the rest, I can just move it over so that will work.

I'm ordering the PNY GTX660 card you linked.

Thanks!

Ninjahedge
03-31-2014, 08:48 PM
A friend of mine is replacing his GT630 2GB card for something a little beefier(he found a 6850 cheap). I will say, I have seen that card run Skyrim at 1920x1080...it wasn't super fluid outside, but it wasn't bad. I was actually kind of impressed at the way the small card handled a few games. That being said, unless you are on a shoestring of a budget, NOOOO on the GT630.

Look at this side by side of the GT630 2 gig, a more peppy but still $100 R7770, the 6850 my friend is upping to, and the GTX770 I just got last week:D.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2013-vga-gpgpu/compare,2959.html?prod[6226]=on&prod[5704]=on&prod[5451]=on&prod[6395]=on

You may also want to play around with it and add a GTX660 at the $150 price point. The 2014 charts showed Bioshock Infinite which uses the Unreal engine, but unfortunately it didn't show performance for 630.

My system is running pretty well now with Win 7.1, 8G of ram, a GTX560 and intel I5-2500K. It is getting old, but I can run Skyrim at a decent detail level on my center screen at 1920x1200. I am running a 2nd screen at 1600x1200 off the card and another at same off the board.

Only problem I have had is an unpredictable BSOD. Happened before I had 3 screens, and sometimes has happened on something like Excel. I think I either have a problem with the boot SSD, or possible a memory problem (I do not have error correcting this time).

Thing has been running well though for about 2 years.

L4D2 would not require a heck of a lot of oomph. You lag in the game world and you really do not need to push the envelope...

Saboteur
04-01-2014, 02:21 AM
New video card is in and working great! Thanks all!

Muscat
04-02-2014, 01:56 PM
good choice now you can play PC games on your ipad with nvidia SHIELD" :D

ZorakMantis::LOB::
04-02-2014, 06:04 PM
good choice now you can play PC games on your ipad with nvidia SHIELD" :D
Only if it has Left 4 Dead I suspect! :)

Bald_Yew
04-02-2014, 08:23 PM
The Shadow Play feature is pretty cool to. Almost no hit to FPS while recording.

Saboteur
04-05-2014, 02:30 AM
Only if it has Left 4 Dead I suspect! :)

And if it isn't an iPad.... :D

Muscat
04-06-2014, 12:39 AM
well it is not the iPad but a nvidia console running under android 4.3.... my bad :D http://www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-SHIELD-Pc/dp/B00E3667XQ
I have already done this. You don't need a famous GTX 6xx to do that. I don't remember the name of the program. The computer is constantly running at max capacity because of the real time streaming so I uninstalled the beast.

For people in California you can play stream games from a cloud. This is called Grid Cloud Gaming. You don't even need another computer to play games with Shield in California....