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dragonash
11-02-2009, 08:13 AM
http://ibuypower.com/Store/Configurators.aspx?mid=135

Well, I think i will treat myself to a new computer. I'm pretty much saving up for the wedding and eventually a house, but I think i need to do this for myself :) I rarely do go on spending sprees ya see :)

Anyway, it's been a looong time since I have even researched hardware and I guess my only budget is to NOT have it break 2k (actually, 2k would be the extreme price i pay)

I will be playing L4D2, TF2 and possibly Borderlands.
It needs to be able to last for a nice while when a new game comes out.

Help build my rig!

(oh, and feel free to use any type of starter build. I just chose the weekly gamer special and was going to modify it)
I would like an Intel processor

edit:

or maybe i should just wait another month for Christmas deals?

=A!M=OakWind
11-02-2009, 10:45 AM
I'd change the gts 250 for a gtx 260

I hate build it sites like that because they lack alot of specs. It doesn't specify whether the 260's have 216 or 192 cores, or whether they are 65 or 55 nm. But the 250's are basically a renamed 9800gtx.

The 55mn uses less power.

Edit: are you ordering from that site or just using it to make a shopping list? If it's just a shoping list, newegg can do the same thing and probably save you a few bucks. And give you a lifetime warranty on a few parts straight from the manufacturer.

]LoL[Harm
11-02-2009, 11:15 AM
Here you go, this is on my current upgrade list, I did not include a monitor or any other peripherals, just a core system, OS is also not included but this is planned for Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit. Total cost is $,1559.90 on NewEgg, price will increase a bit if you don't already have some fans laying about as you'll need a few for the case. I already own the case as I wanted one that I would never outgrow and I can never see outgrowing it.

The below system is just under top of the line, it lacks mainly in the processor area and the motherboard doesn't have every little gadget in the world on it. I don't do SLI/Crossfire but all of the below can support it, though the motherboard does not have (2) x16 PCIe slots it has the common 1 x16 and 1 x8 with a third 1 x4 as well.

Some other small notes, it has 12GB of memory, the power supply is modular so you don't have excess cables hanging around. The case is massive so it should sit on the floor unless you have a sturdy and large desktop area. This system is also not designed around power conservation though it will use less power than my current system because my damn Radeon 4870 x2 eats power like we breath air.

On the drives, the two smaller ones are setup for speed (Raid 0), all of my media and save games and documents and what nots go on the 1TB drives that are setup with basic redundancy.


ASRock M3A785GXH/128M AM3 AMD 785G HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157167)

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ955FBGIBOX - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103674)

OCZ Platinum 12GB (6 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1333LV12GS - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227401)

ENERMAX REVOLUTION85+ ERV850EWT 850W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Compatible w/Core ... - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194041)

SAPPHIRE 100281SR Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video ... - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102856)

(2) Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136074)

(2) Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136317)

CHIEFTEC Mesh CA-01B-B-SL-OP Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811160026)

]LoL[Harm
11-02-2009, 11:36 AM
Hehe, doing my above system (using comparable Intel processor of course) on the site you linked, came to $2100.

Bald_Yew
11-02-2009, 12:34 PM
Will you be reusing any parts? At what resolution do you want to game?

2k can build a hell of a rig! Do it yourself and get more bang/buck. A 2k rig with a GTS250 or even 260 is laughable. ANY 2k rig should sport the best GPU out - ie 5870 ATM.

Bald_Yew
11-02-2009, 01:28 PM
Antec 1200 Case (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043) $159

ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Xtreme Phase, 3-Way SLI & Quad-GPU CrossFireX Support (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131359) $239.99

SAPPHIRE 100281SR Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card w/ATI Eyefinity - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102856) $389.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
(http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009) $139.99


Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202) $288.99

OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227365) $149.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433) $89.99

Logitech G11 Gaming Keyboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126009) $63.99

ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1) Built in Speakers - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052) $199.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754) $106.99

Logitech G9 Black 5 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB Wired Laser 3200 dpi Gaming Mouse - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104079) $89.99

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache IDE 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151175) $29.99

Total = $1949.88

I can recommend a Core i7-860 cpu + 1156 mobo if you'd rather go that route, but the socket 1366 mobo will allow upgrade to gulftown core (6 core CPU) in the future.

Plenty of wiggle room in that list above as well....

]LoL[Harm
11-02-2009, 01:46 PM
I hate to be an AMD pusher but I could never bring myself to pay $100 more for a processor that does not provide any increase in performance in games (and often performs worse in some games, this is comparing the AMD 955 vs the Intel 920) You can read more at Anandtech: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3619&p=7

dragonash
11-02-2009, 02:20 PM
i will have to look through everything first, but to comment on the intel vs amd thing,
I use amd right now and have no qualms. But the company itself isnt doing so well, so it makes me feel uneasy.

Bald_Yew
11-02-2009, 02:32 PM
i will have to look through everything first, but to comment on the intel vs amd thing,
I use amd right now and have no qualms. But the company itself isnt doing so well, so it makes me feel uneasy.

AMD's current offerings are rock solid - no need to feel uneasy IMHO. Still, if your computing needs can benefit from multicore apps, 4 cores hyper threaded to 8 excecution cores(and 6 to 12 in the future) are worth looking into.

]LoL[Harm
11-02-2009, 02:44 PM
I feel AMDs movements in the GPU market have been well done and will help prop up any lack of sales/profit in the CPU market. Especially with the recent announcement from nVidia.

dragonash
11-02-2009, 04:04 PM
ok, after quickly looking through those 2 builds, I guess I need help breaking some things down to a basic undestanding

Processor - AMD or Intel; pros/cons
Motherboard - I never really put too much thought into it. I knew i never needed an over the top MB since I would never make proper use out of it.
Graphics - ATI or Nvidia which one do you prefer and also, with your preference, the type of card

I will be going for Win 7 ultimate 64bit and 6 gigs of ram.

As for the question posed before about resolution... I will use L4D as an example.

I would like to run it with over 1290x768 res with all advanced options on "very high" ;p

My current rig is def dated

Im only posting what matters here:
Power Supply ( Enermax EG565P 535 Watt Power Supply [SLI-Ready] )
Processor ( [939-pin] AMD® Athlon-64 X2 3800+ CPU w/ Hyper Transport Technology )
Motherboard ( MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum-SLI nForce4-SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Dual Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE 1394 PCI-E MB )
Memory 4 Gig DDR-400 PC3200 Memory Module Corsair-Value or Major Brand )
Video Card ( [PCI-Express 16x] Nvidia Geforce 8500GT


I have kept it alive a bit longer with a memory and cheap gfx card update.

Edit:

I tried to match up Harms config on ibuypower. On the site, it came out to $1600 (no monitor, case included, OS included)

Case ( Tuniq 3 Gaming Tower Case - Black )
Processor ( Intel® Core™ i7 920 Processor (4x 2.66GHz/8MB L3 Cache) )
Motherboard ( Asus P6T SE -- Intel X58 Chipset CrossFire Supported w/7.1 Sound, Triple-Channel DDR3, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, Triple PCI-E MB )
Memory ( 6 GB [2 GB X3] DDR3-1333 Triple Memory Module - Corsair XMS3 Dominator w/DHX technology )
Video Card ( ATI Radeon HD 5870 - 1GB - Single Card )
Case Lighting ( None )
Power Supply ( 850 Watt -- IN WIN Commander 850w Power Supply - SLI Ready )
Processor Cooling ( iBUYPOWER Napoleon CPU Cooling Fan System Kit )
Video Card Brand ( Major Brand Powered by ATI or NVIDIA )
Primary Hard Drive ( 750 GB HARD DRIVE -- 16M Cache, 7200 RPM, 3.0Gb/s - Single Drive )
Data Hard Drive ( None )
2nd Optical Drive ( None )
Optical Drive ( 22X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive - Black )
External Hard Drives [USB 2.0/eSATA] ( None )
Sound Card ( 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard )
Speaker System ( None )
Network Card ( Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100) )
Floppy Drive ( None )
Monitor ( None )
Operating System ( Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate + [Free 60-Day !!!] Microsoft Office 2007(Word, Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint, Access ....) - 64-Bit )

Im going to try to find and compare what I find on new egg (i wasnt thrilled about the power supply and memory choices they had on ibuy)

Going by what I am expecting above in my post in regards to games, do you think I should get another card and crossfire it?

=A!M=OakWind
11-02-2009, 05:53 PM
AMD vs Intel: no personal preference, but intel currently has more bang vs buck at the high end (which it looks like your headed):

Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: October '09 (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu,2437.html)
Best Gaming CPU: $200 And Up (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu,2437-5.html)

Nvidia vs Ati: I'd have to admit I've never owned an ATI, so I might be a little biased here. But, good reasons to go Nvidia are:
-Better at Folding@Home
-CUDA
-3-D glasses (http://www.nvidia.com/object/3D_Vision_Main.html)

And a comparison on performances(caution includes sli/crossfire):
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-cards-charts-2009-high-quality/benchmarks,64.html

Nvidia has yet to release a DX11 card, and that may be a reason to ATI. But as I understand it DX11 is just an extension of DX10, and there arn't many DX10 games out now. By the time Dx11 games roll out you may be buying a new GPU.

Dx10 games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_DirectX_10_support

dragonash
11-02-2009, 08:19 PM
oh, i guess i would need to get a fan for the processor. Forgot about that.

Bald_Yew
11-02-2009, 08:34 PM
Only if you plan to OC, or you have high ambient temps.

dragonash
11-02-2009, 09:17 PM
you're right

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119160

probably not needed with that case either!

]LoL[Harm
11-03-2009, 11:30 AM
I'm not sure why Tomshardware would show something different than Anandtech (I usually side with Anandtech over Toms though) but best bang for your buck is NOT Intel over AMD as my previous post and link indicated.

An AMD 955 BE cost $100 less than the Intel 920 that you have above and it outperforms it any many games and ties it in others, as noted here http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3619&p=7

Here is current pricing:

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 140W Quad-Core Processor Model HDZ965FBGIBOX - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103692) is $196 and outperforms the Intel i7 920 by almost 10% in L4D and it costs $80 less than the Intel chip.

In fact only the Intel i7 960 and 975 outperform it and they go for $590 and $1000 respectively. And that is definitely not worth it.

So no, Intel does not offer more bang for the buck, at least not according to Anandtech.

If you want about the same performance as the Intel i7 920, you can go with the AMD 955 BE and save an additional $20.

On the video card side of things, if you want the current top dog, it is the ATI Radeon 5870. If you want to go nVidia the best comparison card would be the GTX 295.

The 5870 though is around $100 less than thte GTX 295 and outperforms it by around 10% in L4D as well. So best bang for your buck is the 5870. You can see tests run here: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643&p=25

And as a side note, I would always, always actively cool your processor. With a nice cool case like you are getting you can just stick with a stock cooler but definitely actively cool it.

]LoL[Harm
11-03-2009, 11:37 AM
As a note, the above is only for gaming. If you are using intensive multithreaded applications or other types of activities that require intense CPU utilization outside of gaming than the processor information supplied above does not directly apply. In many of those cases the i7 920 will outperform the AMD 955 BE and the AMD 965 BE, but you will still have to contend with the gains vs the costs.

dragonash
11-03-2009, 05:08 PM
I have a 500 gig hd that i jus use to store data... but im def goign to buy a 1TB hd since they are so cheap now.

The thing is, I cant decide on whether to use the 500 gig as my main drive now with the TB as the storage, or vice versa. I tend to try to keep data and stuff off my main drive for speed/clutter purposes

]LoL[Harm
11-04-2009, 09:20 AM
I usually rebuild my system every six months, so I normally keep all my things that I do not want to delete on my larger drives. I have my OS setup on a Raid 0 for speed and its also where I install all my games (save games of course go on my larger drives). This way my games and other applications are faster to load but my data stays somewhere that is not directly linked to my OS.

dragonash
11-04-2009, 12:17 PM
newegg wish list

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=16514007

]LoL[Harm
11-04-2009, 12:47 PM
That should be a pretty solid rig! :)

dragonash
11-04-2009, 07:12 PM
glad to hear it. It's pretty much copied off of you, sans the AMD stuff :)

=A!M=OakWind
11-04-2009, 07:55 PM
Hows the price compare to ibuypower?

dragonash
11-04-2009, 08:48 PM
1763 - ibuy
1629 - newegg


maybe take away $100 on ibuy for the OS. I got it on newegg for $170
But, i used the dominator brand memory from ibuy, so it is probably cheaper, same with the psu.
ibuypower has a standard 3yr limited warranty

not too shabby for a comparison

while the price is close, i think certain items (the ram, power supply, cpu fan) are better quality from newegg. The hard drive is definitely better with 32 megs of cache compared to ibuys 16

The newegg price might lower a bit since im waiting on christmas deals

dragonash
11-06-2009, 10:37 AM
ok, i need more advice.
(god i feel like a chick the way im shopping on newegg, but there are just so many good deals!!) lol

700watt PSU or 850 PSU.
the 700 has a nice combo deal with my tower (and is modular)
my wish list has been updated to reflect new combo deals:
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=16514007

=A!M=OakWind
11-06-2009, 11:36 AM
Who makes the modular? Typically they're not as energy efficient due to the extra connection.

dragonash
11-06-2009, 12:10 PM
OCZ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018

reviews look positive.
I just dont know if the 850 psu is overkill or if the 700psu would be "just making it"

All I will have on the inside is the 5870 card (looks like it needs 2 power connectors), 3 HD's, a DVD burner and a bunch of fans lol

edit:
I did the quick math and it looks like the main parts (cpu and video card) come out to 280 watts.
So I think 700 is more than enough. My initial reaction was that the high end stuff would need significantly more power. But I guess im not doing that much in terms of add-ons.

=A!M=OakWind
11-06-2009, 03:42 PM
Yea, looks good.

Bald_Yew
11-08-2009, 10:27 AM
LoL[Harm;11466']And as a side note, I would always, always actively cool your processor. With a nice cool case like you are getting you can just stick with a stock cooler but definitely actively cool it.

Just re-reading and noticed this. I wasn't advocating no fan. Simply pointing out that if you do not overclock or live in a hot place, the stock HSF included with the retail processor should cool it just fine.

Ninjahedge
11-08-2009, 09:27 PM
Side question, what rig would be the quietest/most efficient system for this kind of thing?

Most towers try for MORE POWER, but aside from the obvious, CAN you still run a basic system on a 400/500W? Is there something that would not be used as a space heater in winter on Idle? ;)


Just curious.

]LoL[Harm
11-09-2009, 09:30 AM
With the advances they are making in the GPU market when it comes to power consumption (the 5870 is one of them) your power use requirements are definitely lowering. I think it won't be too long that it will be very easy to make a system that has great gaming potential that runs on a 500W power supply.

But like my system right now, my video card alone gobbles up some 400+W under gaming strain. (I have the 4870 X2). The 5870 in comparison is just under 300W, so a faster card in most regards with a lower power requirement.

The GPU's compounded with the gains in CPU's I wouldn't doubt that in 5 years we'll be running on 300W power supplies and still have power to spare. Here's to hoping, because currently my system is just what Ninja said, its a dame space heater.

]LoL[Harm
11-09-2009, 09:34 AM
Just re-reading and noticed this. I wasn't advocating no fan. Simply pointing out that if you do not overclock or live in a hot place, the stock HSF included with the retail processor should cool it just fine.Ah gotcha, I can see where I got confused, I was thinking he was just talking about actively cooling it overall.